============Before the Eid festival, every muslim father brings home a baby goat and tells his child to play with it. As days pass, the child grows fond of the goat for some days and when the day of Eid comes the child is shocked to see that his pet goat is slaughtered in front of his entire gleeful and cheering family. The child feels guilty, he cries and asks for his friend (the goat) to be spared. But when the goat is slaughtered in spite of this, and the child is told that this is part of muslim tradition, the child is bewildered.
After one year round the same time, the same ritual is repeated. Now the child is one year older, but he still has the innocence to play with a pet and grow fond of it. When the day arrives, the goat is again slaughtered, and the child is reminded of this being a tradition. The child still feels guilty, but his guilt is now numbed by the words that repeatedly fall on his ears, that this is a qurbani (a sacrifice) and that it is our holy duty to kill.
A year after that the child is again asked to play with a goat and on the day of the feast of Eid-ul-Zuha, he is asked to hold the dagger and help out in slaughtering the goat. The child gradually grows hard-hearted and now starts enjoying this ritual of killing the goat - A muslim is made!
As part of his upbringing, a muslim child who weeps at the sight of a pet goat being killed and would balk at doing the deed himself, is now shamed into doing the deed. It is drilled into his mind that he should do it as it is part of a revered islamic custom of bloodletting. And that instead of feeling guilty, he should feel proud. A murderer is made! A muslim is made!
The child’s guilt is gradually vanishing and is being replaced with a sadistic urge to kill, not just kill the goat but to kill anyone at the drop of a hat. A murderer is made. An innocent child who would weep at the sight of a pet goat being killed and would balk at doing the deed himself, is now shamed into doing that deed.
It is drilled into his mind that he should do it as it is the community custom. That instead of feeling guilty, he should be proud. This way a murderer is never born, he is made. And he is made generation after generation to spawn a breed of people who glorify death. Who boast that “We love death more than you love life, and so we will get you someday, someway, somewhere, and kill you while killing ourselves to seek martyrdom.”
From early childhood, when children are repeatedly told not to get beaten by anyone and to if anyone hits you, you need to hit him back twice at least. This leads to the building a violent and vengeful mentality from early childhood that provides for a perfect mindset for the making of a criminal in adulthood where revenge is glorified.
The fact that seals this vengeful, cruel and violent mentality is the leavening of legitimacy that is given through the islamic religion, with quotations like: "Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you." (9:123). All this makes it a religious, moral and a holy duty to seek revenge, and to commit murder during seeking revenge, and to top it all, to exult when you murder an enemy, to dance over his dead body, to pull out his victuals from his corpse and proudly display it in public and to boast that now due to this 'holy' act, the victor would find place in heaven!
Imagine that for a muslim the way to heaven is through, murder, rape , arson, trickery, deception! No wonder we have such delinquent murderers operating in London, Jerusalem, Madrid, Bali, Baghdad, not to speak of New York and the Pentagon on 9/11.
And to keep this murderous message being constantly drilled into their mind, they have to pray five times a day, facing one particular direction. Private prayer is not encouraged, mass prayer is. Whenever the Muzzein brays from the minaret, they assemble in one place to pray, so that you keep meeting people like you who have also been brainwashed into becoming mindless murderers, so that this conditioning of the mind is reinforced five times in a day with the mullah sounding the same rants of kill the enemies, death to infidel kafirs ad nausem.
And if they commit the cardinal sin of leaving this murderous band, they become a legitimate target for being murdered as an apostate. There is no way out for a muslim but to hate the non-muslims and to seek every opportunity to terrorize them. A terrorist mass-murderer is made, in other words a muslim is made...
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As per usual an anonymous muslim who cannot comprehend the words before itself draws a conclusion out of its backside...
Glorifying slaughter by cutting the throats of animals every year in what is described as a religious festivity has made muslims morbid despots the world over, muslims delightfully celebrate killing every year in a ceremony call Eid and their children participate declaring 'allahu akbar'. This is why civilized people the world over observe this barbarism and shudder at the completely depraved customs that are obviously the spawned of an ideology made in hell. The muslim prophet was the perfect example for all muslims to follow and he was a liar, murderer, rapist, and slave trader, so it's no wonder that an illiterate lowlife would create a swarm of morally devoid people with cognition disabilities...
Again, your arguments don't make sense. Animal sacrifice was allowed in the Jewish religion as a form of atonement. Are Jews backwards and uncivilized? I will clarify that muslims are only allowed to kill in times of war or for capital punishment. In the quran it says if the enemy wants to make peace you should make peace. You have misinterpreted the qur'an just as terrorists have misinterpreted it. For many years while Christians were persecuting Jews around the time of the crusaders, muslim nations gave them safe harbor and freedom to practice judaism and respect. If you read the history of muslim civilization, do you find morally bankrupt people with cognitive disabilities or do you find tolerant, "civilized", scientific, artistic, and moral leaders? I suggest you study your history to further understand islam. Islam is not the cause of terrorism ignorance is.
Jews don't take pleasure in such an orgy of blood-lust we see every year during Eid. The first argument you present was I'm equating all meat eaters to murderers. Now you equate a Jewish ceremony of some rabbi sacrificing an animal at the alter to the mass participation of Eid. I understand islam severely stunts your abilities to reason against any slight, unlike myself, I have observed and found islam to be an ideology that belongs in the dark ages. I suggest you study your history to further understand islam.
If it were not for the accomplishments of the West the muslim world would be barren. I only look objectively and value justly what I see and express it honestly. Whoever does not admire great beauty is a person who lacks sensitivity, taste, and observation. The West has reached the summit of science and technology. It has achieved knowledge, skills, and new discoveries, as no previous civilization before it. The accomplishments cover all areas of life, politics, ethics, economics, and human rights. It is your obligation to acknowledge our amazing excellence and you do by migrating to it. The horrible backwardness in which some muslim nations live is the inevitable result of your refusal to accept the abundance of Western ideas and visions while taking refuge in denial and arrogance. To glorify backward behaviors is to establish and fortify backwardness, to strengthen the shackles of the dark ages, it's a shameful reality, which you should resent and from which you must liberate yourself.
You have no idea about your history and the history of other nations without reading your history critically and without reading the history of others fairly and objectively. The luminous Greek civilization emerged in the 6th century BC and reached the peak of its flourishing in the 5th century BC. In other words, Greek civilization emerged many generations before the islamic one, and Greek philosophy was the source from which muslim philosophers derived their philosophy. Those individuals in whom muslims sometimes take pride, such as Ibn Rushd, Ibn Al-Haytham, Al-Razi, Al-Qindi, Al-Khawarizmi, and Al-Farabi were all pupils of Greek thought. The Arab world was doing fine until islam came along, I and many others find islam in its entirety based on the assumption that mohammed was telling the truth requires blind faith, and total abandonment of logic...
The qur'an itself has also contributed to development of human cultures. In it you will find new principles not heard of at that time. Principles of contracts, equality of women (when the christians of the time were debating wether a woman had a soul). Migration to mecca (where the animals are slaughtered in your mind unjustly) once a year helped to develop societies as people from all over the region could meet and share knowledge and bring back new beneficial knowledge to their homelands. The qur'an talks of the equality of men, giving fair measure, cleanliness (at a time when europeans were taking baths once a year), avoiding corruption and it also stands for the rule of law (that no one is above the law). These are some of the additions to society that the qur'an made at a time when these values were unheard of.
Sacrificing one animal is similar to sacrificing many for religious purposes. It is simple logic that if one person wants to atone, he sacrifices one animal and if many people want to atone at the same time, they would sacrifice more than one animal.
Technology, arts and humanistic philosophy have beautified our world, true. But we shouldn't be quick to denigrate our ancestors from the "Dark Ages" without whose sacrifices we would have achieved nothing. To look down on a more traditional culture or countries that are less developed is a form of racism.
Many people argue that islamic rules are backward, for instance chopping off the hand of a thief in public. But no one thinks of the harm to the soul of that person who was stealing. No one thinks of who gave him the hands to steal. NO one thinks of the dammage to society theives bring. No one thinks that if we implemented this law, how few thieves would there be? They reject the message before giving it due thought and cling to their ideologies due to lack of effort in understanding.
Principles of contracts? These statutes were well and truly established way before the quran was plagiarized from similar documents. The most asinine claim I've ever heard but not surprising considering the mind numbing indoctrination you've endured.
Equality for women? Women in islam today do not experience equality because of the quran, It says, that the witness of woman is worth half of that of man 2:282; that women inherit half of their male siblings, 4:11-12; that a man can marry two or three or four women 4:3; that if a women becomes captive in a war, her muslim master is allowed to rape her 33:50; that if a woman is not totally submissive to her husband she will enter Hell 66:10; that women are “tilth” for their husbands (to cultivate them) 2:223; that men are in charge of women, as if women were imbeciles or minors who could not take care of themselves; that they must be obedient to their husbands or be admonished (verbally abused), banished from the bed (psychologically abused) and beaten (physically abused) 4:34. Now try reversing the roles with a sprinkling of empathy and claim women have equality in islam.
(On topic) The slaughter of animals deemed unjust is not the issue, Eid is morbid and downright macabre in its very nature as the sight of all that blood attests and it's not only practiced in mecca but everywhere muslim are.
"Migration to mecca once a year helped to develop societies as people from all over the region could meet and share knowledge and bring back new beneficial knowledge to their homelands." . Statements like this only reinforces my conclusion that you've been completely brainwashed, to suggest that this somehow supports any argument for islam's truth testifies just how far down the path of submitting to self appointed manipulators you are.
Europeans would be having a bath every year if it weren't for islam? Wow, you have been thoroughly indoctrinated by this dar al-islam and dar al-haram concept. You must really hate Non-muslims to believe the worst that you're told.
We have abattoirs for killing animals which are not in the open for all to see, including children.
Your countries are under developed because of islam, if it wasn't for oil and Western technology the oil would be still sitting in the ground. And RACE is something one is born with and cannot change, RELIGION is something one is taught, internalized, interpreted and applied (thus can be changed, altered, abandoned or replaced). The former is the biological, the latter is psychological.
The English used to banish thieves to Australia, thieves that stole an apple from a fruit stall because they were hungry. There are economic injustices the world over and to banish people to a long lost island is bad enough without resorting to such gruesome measures like chopping the hands off, and doing it in public for people and children to see. The barbarism will never cease if you don't question it and you dare not.
Islam's core dogmas are utterly opposed to everything that the modern world values. Where we cherish freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, the freedom of women as equals, and the freedom to criticize all beliefs, the quran, meanwhile, teaches "submission" to the resentful, homicidal desires of a plagiarizing warlord and the interpretations of power hungry imams, it's no wonder the migration is a one street...
I am going to reply to you point by point. My goal is to clarify some of the misconceptions you have about islam. When the quran was revealed women were not allowed an inheritence, female children were often buried alive out of shame and unwillingness to care for the child. Islam stopped this practice and gave women rights of inheritence. The reason a woman's witness in business contracts is equal to half of a man's is because women in islam are not obligated to work. Therefore, a woman would be unfamiliar with laws of business and may need help to be a witness for contracts. This is also the reason why women are entitled to less than a man's share of inheritence. Men are the maintainers of women islamically and should receive more inheritence as a woman would normally be taken care of by the brother or husband or father after a death leading to her inheritence. The prophet solomon may peace be upon him had more than one wife. Why are people surprised at this practice and why do they find it sexist. The qur'an in no way advocates rape. It merely details who a man is allowed to have sexual relationships with. I don't know where you got your interpretation from. the verse you are quoting about wives being punished for not submitting to their husbands is in reference to wives of the prophet noah and lot may peace be upon them. Their crime was not in disobedience to their husband, it was in disobedience to God's message that their husbands brought. There is a big difference between the two forms of disobedience. Women are tilth, plain and simple. Men plant a seed in women and women produce fruit, children. How is this statement sexist. In terms of beating women it is not allowed in islam to leave a mark or hit them in the face. It is like a swat that you might give to a child. The prophet Job may peace be upon him, when he was suffering, his wife said:curse god and die. He vowed that when he was well he would beat her. When he became well he became full of regrets about his vow. How could he beat someone he loved so much. In the qur'an it says that Allah told job to get a small branch from a tree and swat his wife with it to fulfill his vow. This woman said curse god and die and this is the treatment she received from God and her husband. The beating's purpose is not to knock out her teeth. It is to show extreme displeasure with her actions. It is not meant as abuse. A husband is the leader of the family and its caretaker but in the eyes of God women are equal to men. On the day of judgement a man will not be asked about his wife, she is fully responsible for herself in relation to god. These rules are meant to establish order in the home and in the society. To discuss further slaughter on eid day. Is it any less bloody and "barbaric" to slaughter animals outside of public view. There is no difference in our practice and western practice of killing animals. The only difference is we do so also for religious purposes.Islam encourages asking questions and searching for the truth. It gives freedom to man to choose whichever way he would like to go.The freedoms man is given however are limited. One should not trample on the rights of others in the name of freedom. I think you can understand that.
When the quran was revealed women were indeed allowed to an inheritance, the Torah (known as the Old Testament written close to a 1000 years before quran) sets out the rules for inheritance very strictly. Principally the first born son and his brothers all take a share, with the first born getting two parts of what his brother gets. If there is no son the first born daughter inherits. Principally it is argued that such laws seemed to make sense at the time as inheritance of status, position and profession would past down the male line and therefore to pass inheritance to the female would interrupt the lineage. In the New Testament (another book written many 100 years before quran) Paul says: “Parents should make provision for their children, not children for their parents.” (2 Corinthians 12:14). In light of this it makes sense to plan ahead so that your children may have enough to provide for their own. No mention of gender there.
In islam the testimony of one woman is not valid whether it be business contract or anything else regarding law, for instance a woman who is raped and can’t produce a witness cannot accuse her assailant. However if she becomes pregnant there is a clear proof that she has had sex out of wedlock and she can be accused of adultery and stoned to death.
A religion that permits men to have sex with their slave-girls throughout their enslavement is rape! (4:24) All married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. (33:50) Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom god has given you as booty. There are countless amounts of sexual depravity where islam condones adultery, rape and even pedophilia.
The feeble and downright absurd defenses of islam's despicable nature you have provided are almost laughable if it were not tragic. In explaining the beating of women must not leave a mark or hit them in the face, It is like a swat that you might give a child. Is that a joke? Why beat at all?
For fourteen centuries, muslims were able to conceal some of their most outrageous teachings from the rest of the world. Modern technology and new communication methods have made it difficult for muslims to hide the dark side of islam. The deceptions were hidden behind language, cultural and geographic barriers. You are now faced with the tough task of explaining the discrepancies between how you want islam perceived as a tolerant, civil and peaceful religion and the realities of some of its basic tenets, which are quite the opposite. Damage control has become your main objective by declaring this obvious lie, "islam encourages asking questions and searching for the truth. It gives freedom to man to choose whichever way he would like to go." Mohammad said, "whoever changes his religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)...
Again, I will respond to your comments one by one. I am not doing dammage control, I am trying to get you to see how you have misinterpreted my religion. I think it is very important for all people non-muslim and muslim to know that the command to beat a wife is not a call for abuse. I have a direct quote in english from surat 38 verses 41-44 "Commemorate our servant Job. Behold he cried to his Lord: the evil one has afflicted me with distress and suffering. (the command was given) strike with thy foot: here is (water) wherein to wash, cool and refreshing, and (water) to drink. And We gave him (back) his people and doubled their number- as a grace from Ourselves and a thing for commemoration, for all who have understanding. And take in thy hand a little grass and strike therewith: and break not (thy oath). Truly We found him full of patience and constancy. How excellent in Our service! Ever did he turn (to Us)." Is this not sufficient proof to you that the command to hit women lightly is not meant for abuse but meant for admonishment only. You replied that other cultures had inheritance laws regarding women, I was only saying that the arabs of the time when the qur'an was revealed had no such laws. Also to clarify the reasons behind islamic rulings... Rape victims need to have a witness just as any other crime needs a witness or proof to prosecute the accused. I am sure a dna test in our day would suffice as a witness. In terms of allowing a man to have relations with a slave-woman that he owns, didn't Abraham peace be upon him have relations with a slave of his? Did he rape her? God forbid. The detractors of islam at the time of the prophet Muhamed never accused him of pedophilia. Why? Marrying young girls was a norm in their society and in many societies today this practice is still carried out. It is arrogant to assume that only your cultural norms are the only correct cultural norms.
As far as I am concerned there is no dark side to Islam. That is why I am clarifying to you the areas where you have misconstrued the message. What most people don't like about islam is the severity of punishments upheld in this life and the hereafter. This is what you think of as a dark side. God does not treat sin and injustice lightly. These seemingly harsh parts of God's law keep man out of apathy and awaken him to practice justice as best he can. We do respect people's right to choose their own way. This is why we are instructed not to insult jews or christians or even pagans and why we are not allowed to destroy any place of worship, no matter what they may worship inside. Leaving islam is a sin and requires a different ruling. In the prophet's time a person who left islam was usually invited back and rarely killed for his or her crime. Yes, God is strict in punishment... but returning to him and asking forgiveness from him makes a sweetness in your heart that I am sure jews and christians also taste. It's too bad more people don't listen to what we have to say. They would also taste this sweetness if they opened their heart a little bit.
You complain of the "misconceptions" about your religion, about the history and its founder, mohammad. As a result, the biggest misconceptions about islam are those originating from you. The founder of your religion is supposedly a perfect man and an example 'for all' to emulate for 'all time', yet he was a murderer, rapist, and amongst other despotic behaviors, a pedophile. But you dare not question this and instead make excuses to sustain the delusion that you've been indoctrinated with from birth. Again, I understand islam severely stunts your abilities to reason against any slight, unlike myself, I have observed and found islam to be an ideology that belongs in the dark ages.
Scarcely a day goes by when jihad does not claim the lives of innocent people somewhere in the world, and the victims face savage murder on a regular basis by a subhuman element of remorseless barbarians whose every waking thought is devoted to beheading and mutilating 'impure' infidels across the globe, and to creating a worldwide islamic caliphate subordinate only to the religion in whose name it kills and oppresses.
You will never succeed in freeing yourself from the mind numbing indoctrination that has stifled you with intellectual paralysis and decadence. You will only escape as you succeed in withdrawing yourself from the totalitarian control of islam...
Let me further clarify one point. The prophet Muhamed peace be upon him did marry an underaged girl, there is no question about that. The marriage was consumated after she reached puberty. If god gave her the ability to have a baby would he not also give her the ability to be married? Did this girl deny the prophet after his death? Did she claim that she was sexually abused or molested? No. She became one of the greatest scholars in islam. Almost half of the prophetic traditions were transmitted through her. Never once did she say a word in insult to her husband even after his death.
I was not born muslim. I converted to islam. I have not been indoctrinated I have studied the religion for 13 years. I have not found any religion on this earth that more clearly explains the purpose of life, the purpose of death and who is the creator. You talk of the beauty of western culture and ideologies. Why can't you see the beauty in our prayers in our simple yet profound appreciation of life? Like I said earlier your hatred has blinded you to the truth. You have yet to prove any of your arguments.
Muslims today are a mess. I admit that. They are ignorant, knee-jerkish, hippocritical and quick to judge others. There is no question that many of their behaviors are inexcusable and doubly wrong as they are done in the name of God. However, I am not writing to you to defend these people who have lost there common sense. I am here to defend islam and make clear to you that the world does not need a war of civilizations, we need understanding. I would love to educate misguided muslims as much as I would love to educate people who hate the religion.
I tried my best to explain to you that islam is not the cause for the ills in the muslim world today. You obviously didn't want to listen. I could blame christianity for the prevelance of sexual depravity in the west but I did not. I have never insulted you or called you names. There was no need to call me trash. I sincerely believe in islams perfection and was trying to relay that message to you. You obviously did not hear what I was saying and are unwilling to see things from a different point of view. Take care, I hope one day you will meet a true muslim and understand that islam is not the cause of violence in the world.
I am not one to sit and let someone abuse me but I feel the need to try to get you to see things from a different perspective. I believe islam is the truth because it has a very similar message to that of judaism and christianity. Because I believe that islam is the truth, I dare not interpret it by myself. I must rely on trustworthy scholars and practicers to help me to understand the religion. If you believed something was from God, how could you be arrogant enough to think that you know God's intentions, or God's purposes. Some interpretations are clear and others need further research. This is why I am defending islam to you. You have misinterpreted the religion without searching further to make sure you are correct. Jesus said: If your hand offends you, cut it off. Better to enter the kingdom of heaven with one hand than to enter hell with both. There are two hadiths about stealing from the prophet muhamed. One says if someone steals food when hungry there is no punishment. The other hadith says cut off the hand even if the thief steals an egg. Being muslim, you are right, I dare not interpret the religion myself. How dare I come to a conclusion about God's law without knowledge. Fortunately I found a scholar who cleared up the issue. He stated that in order to cut someone's hand for theft, the property had to be of some value and has to be hidden or put away safely. In other words if you drop a gold coin and someone picks it up, even though it is of value you cannot punish this person because the coin was not hidden in his pocket or in his house. The reliegion of islam takes a lifetime to learn and a very long time and effort should be spent in ascertaining the truth. I hope that you will try to look at things from a different perspective.
I'm not one to allow a slave of allah to provide a blatantly mindless and bias view in an attempt to obfuscate the caustic message mohammad, islam's lone prophet, who conceived it solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. You may fool those who have not studied the hadith and quran with this deception but not someone who has. No dogma in all of human history is as intolerant, violent, and incompatible with the sanctity of human life than islam. The only truth in islam is submission and surrendering your intellect and will to scholars as you have. If you have been deceived to the point that you actually believe what you wrote then you need to read more and listen less to discover the truth about mohammad and the fraud he perpetrated for sex, power, and money. However, if you know the truth and are following mohammad's example of using deception, you need to think about the foolishness of that endeavor...
I don't think that you have studied islam from its purer sources. I think you have listened too much to its detractors. I have given you proofs from the quran, the hadiths and the scholars that islam is a balanced way of life but you have yet to give me any substantial proof for your point of view. You accuse the prophet peace be upon him of wanting power sex and money. You claim that you have studied islam thoroughly. Surely you must have heard a famous hadith about the prophet. The people of Mecca asked him to stop preaching the message of worshipping one god. They offered him rulership over arabia, any of their women he would choose, any amount of money he wanted, if only he would stop. He said "if you gave me the sun in my right hand and the moon in my left, I would not stop preaching this message." When the Meccans banished him to exile in the desert he had the property of some of his enemies. Did he use any of it. No. He regarded it as a trust and never touched it. They left their property with him because he was such a trustworthy person. When he died, he had very little property. He gave most of his wealth to charity. He once gave away an entire herd of sheep (valuable property at that time) He taught his followers to love the poor. Who have you been listening to to conclude that he was power hungry?
You accuse islam of not respecting the sanctity of humanity. We hold all life as a sacred trust. If you violate the rights of others there is strict punishment due to the fact that all life is sacred. This is a different way of viewing life as sacred that most people do not want to agree with.
You have to question where you are getting your information from.
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